ardent: (Is an art that's hard to teach)
Kiyotaka Ishimaru (石丸 清多夏) ([personal profile] ardent) wrote2014-09-27 08:37 pm

15. Text/Action for Goldenrod City

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I have what might be seen as a weird question; I don't really know, because I've never tried asking anyone before, but it's something that's been troubling me lately and I'm wondering if any of you might know.

[Well, at least he's trying to keep this from dissolving into immediate trainwreck, with damn near palpable effort.

That said, it's been a little while since he's been on the network, so hello there. No video today, it seems, but at least that comes with the benefit of him having to actually look it over before he sends.]


Assume, for the sake of argument, that you have a way to improve someone's life. Factually speaking, I mean. Their life would be better with what you're offering, because it would relieve their suffering in some way. But the person doesn't want it because they believe they're better off without it, even though objectively that isn't the case.

Is it better to relieve their suffering anyway, even if it goes against their wishes, or to respect what they want even though "what they want" is going to hurt them?



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[Well, outside of making Text Posts That Certainly Are A Thing, it seems that Ishimaru has the day off today.

He's been scarce ever since he and Naegi returned from Kanto; it's not in the same way that he goes scarce when something has gone wrong with him, he hasn't been avoiding people per se – it's just that his life has mostly been work and sleep and very little else for the last several days, and it's a bit hard to say whether that's because he's off inside his head again or because it's a routine and it's comfortable and socializing has simply...slipped his mind as something he should actually do once in a while.

But! Today he has the day off, and he's wearing that damn hoodie Naegi gave him last year and as usual there's a small Meowth camped out in the hood (sleeping, more often than not), and he's in Goldenrod City and wanting to blow off some steam, so his options for the time being seem to all revolve around "stupid amounts of physical activity"; thankfully, there are a few ways to do that, though the one he eventually chooses still strikes him as a bit unorthodox – he admittedly still doesn't see the point of doing things just for the sake of doing them, and doing exactly that seems to be the point of spending time in an arcade, but Kirigiri introduced him to something a while back that is at least...halfway worthwhile.

Namely, at one point she got this man on a DDR machine, and he has been determined to memorize the entire damn machine ever since.

So today that is where he will be, and he is not opposed to company either in the arcade or outside of it; this is just something for him to do with himself today, clearly. At least it keeps him from being idle.]
dressofheaven: (Now let me see...)

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[personal profile] dressofheaven 2014-09-29 08:22 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't say it would be simple. Convincing people to change their minds can be the hardest thing in the world. But you can't control their actions, so anything else is just treating the symptoms and ignoring the real problem.

... Not that I don't understand wanting to do just that.
lieutenantantichrist: (I'm there like I always been)

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[personal profile] lieutenantantichrist 2014-09-29 08:41 am (UTC)(link)
[Well in that case, Blake respectfully backs off and keeps his nose out of other people's business.]





[haha nope]

I mean, are you making somebody take some aspirin for a headache, or are you shoving them off a bridge?
lieutenantantichrist: (I haven't even walked in the place yet)

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[personal profile] lieutenantantichrist 2014-09-29 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
It would be if there was a truck coming.
fauxtographs: (� ponder)

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[personal profile] fauxtographs 2014-09-29 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
[Running her eyes over the machine, Emmy gently bats her Beldum away from Ishimaru's head, where he's trying to hover. That's rude, Jean! Especially since this boy is being so polite! She really should have waited until he'd finished the song before she butted in...although he doesn't seem very bothered, at least. Excellent!]

So is it a game, then? You tap the arrows in time with the music...?

[...

this is her kind of puzzle]


Is it terribly difficult?
sadisticwarfare: (♕ 09)

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[personal profile] sadisticwarfare 2014-10-01 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
There are a lot of things to take into consideration in a situation like this. Is what they're doing going to cause them physical harm or emotional harm? Is it something that they can be convinced out of in some other way, or is this something they're dead-set on regardless of what anyone might do to try to help? Sometimes people will refuse to take advice from you, but will take the same advice from someone else.

[Maybe it's because the other person isn't an asshole about it, Archer.]

Is there a specific situation you need assistance with or is this a general question?
ajustcaws: (to run where the brave dare not go)

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[personal profile] ajustcaws 2014-10-01 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
well okay but there aren't any GOOD ones.

if you need some inspiration on that front, i can lend you a hand! i know EXACTLY how to win the crowds! ...and the individuals!
sadisticwarfare: (♕ 14)

[personal profile] sadisticwarfare 2014-10-01 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
It's quite alright, you don't need to go into specifics. I was just curious whether this was a hypothetical situation or not.

The next thing to consider is what will happen if you do intervene. Are they going to take that badly and refuse to interact with you or is it something that will blow over in a few weeks? From the sound of it, it isn't something that will be taken lightly, or you would have already done it without seeking assistance.
dressofheaven: (Bored now)

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[personal profile] dressofheaven 2014-10-01 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
That depends on the problem, I suppose. Say you have an alcoholic, and you take away their ability to buy those kind of drinks. You've solved the immediate problem, but depending on why they turned to alcohol in the first place, another could spring up almost immediately.
sadisticwarfare: (♕ 09)

[personal profile] sadisticwarfare 2014-10-01 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
How do you plan on doing that, if you don't mind me asking?

[No offense Ishimaru, but you're not the master of stealth...]
nostabbing: (INTERJECT ⚡ actually that's really dumb)

[personal profile] nostabbing 2014-10-01 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
Did you know that when baby lions are learning how to bite things, they bite their mom and dad lions and their mom and dad pretend like it hurts them so the baby lions will learn to hunt?

[Thank you for that random tidbit, Fount of Useless Information Parker.]

Maybe you should teach him that.
nostabbing: (LEAN ⚡ lounging like a cat burglar)

[personal profile] nostabbing 2014-10-01 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's how they learn that biting hurts, too.

[...]

So I guess maybe they don't know that until they see it?
dressofheaven: (Well that's no good)

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[personal profile] dressofheaven 2014-10-01 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
Well, it sounds like the underlying problem there is fear... fear of change, of not really being themselves anymore. What sort of illness is this? You can make something up if you have to.
sadisticwarfare: (♕ 14)

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[personal profile] sadisticwarfare 2014-10-01 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see.

[...yeah, okay we're going to lock this shit down now.]

Have you tried something like this before?

[Are you sure it's not going to seriously mess with this person's head?]

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